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		<title>Alas, Poor GeoCities</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2009/10/27/alas-poor-geocities/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>GeoCities died yesterday. This has led to mass mockery of old-school GeoCities pages. Others have some sympathy:</p>
<p>Put yourself back in 1996. Imagine you&#8217;ve just pitched your tent online, and you&#8217;ve been given a blank page and 15 megabytes to tell the world about yourself. Think about how intoxicating it must have been to be able [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeoCities died yesterday. This has led to mass mockery of old-school GeoCities pages. Others have some sympathy:</p>
<blockquote><p>Put yourself back in 1996. Imagine you&#8217;ve just pitched your tent online, and you&#8217;ve been given a blank page and 15 megabytes to tell the world about yourself. Think about how intoxicating it must have been to be able to do that for the first time. Wouldn&#8217;t you, too, have gone a little heavy on the blinky text?</p></blockquote>
<p>I was there in 1996. Heck, I still have the diskettes for a beta of Mosaic here at my desk &#8211; an install that requires multiple 3.5&#8243; floppies. And it&#8217;s true: For the early adopters, GeoCities was a place you could set up and get your feet wet. You could put your site into awesome webrings &#8211; the concept that later launched a million reciprocal link exchanges, and even could be given a nod as a seed for the whole Google linking algorithm.</p>
<p>I think a greater point to mock for that era were the number of companies who started setting up web sites, and putting them entirely in the hands of their &#8216;geeks.&#8217; Now, I love geeks. I am a geek &#8211; but I&#8217;m also a geek trained in branding, marketing and communications. Back in 1996, a lot of the geeks in charge of web sites were none of the above. But &#8216;web pages&#8217; were computer things, so they handed them to computer people. Many of them made abundant use of such treasures as the blink tag, because any new piece of knowledge had to be incorporated somehow. This early round later led to various battles for control of web sites once marketing departments realized that maybe they didn&#8217;t have a huge audience yet &#8211; but the audience they had was getting a warped view of their brand.</p>
<p>So raise a toast to GeoCities, the first taste of the Interwebs most old-schoolers ever had, without which.
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		<title>City Requests Removal from Google Maps</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2008/05/31/city-requests-removal-from-google-maps/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 13:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
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<p>  today reports that the city of North Oaks, Minnesota, has requested that all street-level images of their community be removed from Google Maps.</p>
<p>Google says that no community has ever issued such a blanket request. This doesn&#8217;t surprise me &#8211; North Oaks, sometimes known as the &#8216;Forbidden City,&#8217; is somewhat unique. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.startribune.com/templates/Print_This_Story?sid=19416279">Minneapolis Star-Tribune</a>
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<p>  today reports that the city of North Oaks, Minnesota, has requested that all street-level images of their community be removed from Google Maps.</p>
<p>Google says that no community has ever issued such a blanket request. This doesn&#8217;t surprise me &#8211; North Oaks, sometimes known as the &#8216;Forbidden City,&#8217; is somewhat unique. All roads in North Oaks are private land, which means that the typical Google approach to getting street-level images &#8211; sending in a car with a dashboard camera &#8211; isn&#8217;t legal to use. Non-residents (or uninvited guests) using the roads in North Oaks is considered trespassing.</p>
<p>North Oaks aren&#8217;t requesting to Yahoo or MSN that satellite-level images of the city be removed from their services. However, satellite image collection would not violate right-of-way rules on city streets as the Google street-level collection does.</p>
<p>Interesting stuff.</p>
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		<title>Web 2.0 Idea That Screams &#8216;Uh-Oh&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/08/29/web-20-idea-that-screams-uh-oh/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[User generated content can be hazardous for any person or company with high negative opinion ratings. Mitt Romney, presidential candidate, is opening the door to a web full of pain with a new campaign gambit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Ad_Contest" rel="nofollow">Romney campaign</a> is doing an advertising mash-up contest in partnership with some online software people and Yahoo.</p>
<p>The chirpy press release assumes that this will be done by supporters. I can&#8217;t quite tell if there&#8217;s going to be full editorial review of submissions before they post to the site. If not, this just screams &#8216;bad idea.&#8217; It screams it as loudly and screechily as an auditorium full of tween girls watching the dreamy boy band of the month. Given the <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/romney_encounters_more_core_opposition_than_clinton">high negative ratings</a>, uh, enjoyed, by Romney in polls, this has the potential to be either a big ouch or a big editorial time suck for some poor intern.</p>
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		<title>I35W Bridge Updated in Google Maps</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/08/07/speed-of-online-map-update/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google Maps quickly accomodated changes in transportation infrastructure after a widely-publicized bridge collapse in Minneapolis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Maps has already updated its directional capabilities to not use the I35-W bridge over the Mississippi River in Minneapolis.</p>
<p>Doubt they&#8217;ll keep up with all the surrounding road closures, given how day to day they are, but it shows a few things:</p>
<ul>
<li>Google learned from the outcry that occurred when the pre-Katrina satellite images stayed on Google Maps/Google Earth long past the destruction of the levees.
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<li>There are clearly some mechanisms on the back end that can leave the appearance of a road in the map, but have it on a perpetual exclude.</li>
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<p>Now, yes, you can still see a yellow interstate line where the bridge should be, and still is &#8212; albeit in the river, and not especially traversable. But if you try to set up a journey that would typically route you via that bridge, Google is automatically routing you via one of the currently preferred alternate routes. For instance, just route between Rosedale Center (10 Rosedale Center, 55113) and the Metrodome (900 S 5th Street, 55415). Google chooses a routing that has you exit from MN36 to Highway 280. If you attempt to drag the map line to take 35W, it will force you to exit at Stinson. It will NOT allow you to take the bridge. </p>
<p>Total distance, per Google&#8217;s preferred route: 8.4 miles.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.betweenstations.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/google-maps.jpg' title='Google Maps - I35W Bridge'><img src='http://www.betweenstations.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/google-maps.thumbnail.jpg' alt='Google Maps - I35W Bridge' /></a></p>
<p>I35W would normally be the preferred route. Note that MSN Maps still routes via the bridge, giving you a trip of 6.5 miles:<br />
<a href='http://www.betweenstations.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/msn-maps.jpg' title='MSN Maps - I35W Bridge'><img src='http://www.betweenstations.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/msn-maps.thumbnail.jpg' alt='MSN Maps - I35W Bridge' /></a></p>
<p>Given that some of the exits that Google will allow you to route via only re-opened Monday, this is fairly quick updating of the service. Certainly, this update is faster than the commute many Twin Cities residents will be experiencing for the next 12-36 months as the bridge saga continues!</p>
<p>I also note that Yahoo Maps and MapQuest, both of which are powered by Navteq/Teleatlas, also now realize that the bridge is a bad routing. Looks like MSN is late to the party&#8230; again.</p>
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		<title>Submissions: Snake Oil</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/07/25/the-retro-snake-oil-of-submissions/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[People persist in believing submissions are necessary for the top 4 search engines. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the top questions I get from well-intentioned new site owners concerns search engine submissions.</p>
<p>&#8220;I got an e-mail from a company that says they will submit me to 181 search engines for $(small amount of money). Should I do it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Truly, these people mean well. They see a low price tag and think/hope there might be value in it.</p>
<p>I always end up having to crush them. Assuming a $35 submission fee, that&#8217;s between 8 and 10 delicious gourmet schmancy coffee drinks. Mmm, caffeine.</p>
<p>Submission to the top 3 search engines &#8212; Google, Yahoo, and MSN &#8212; is technically unnecessary, as they&#8217;re all crawler-based, but if it makes you feel good, it can be done while drinking one of the abovementioned caffeinated treats. Yum. I actually tend to recommend submitting to MSN, because they&#8217;ve been totally irregular about indexing some of the sites I&#8217;m associated with even when we submit. Ask only recently started allowing submission, rounding out the top 4 properties.</p>
<p>Then, let&#8217;s look at Nielsen&#8217;s list of the <a href="http://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_070719.pdf">top 10 search referring properties in the US</a>, June edition. Pretty much everything in the 6 remaining entrants in the top 10 have some relationship or data feed from the top 4. So, with the top 4, you&#8217;re really probably reaching into about 96.5% of households.</p>
<p>So, what to do with those other 7-9 coffee drinks? I typically recommend making a coffee date with your web traffic reports, once a week, for 7-9 weeks with the rest of the money you saved by not using a submissions service. Check your referring sites and URLs. See if you see any chances for inbound link building. Get all happy inside if your search referrals start going up. Be a coffee achiever. </p>
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		<title>Helpful Domain Tip</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/07/02/helpful-domain-tip/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re out registering a dot-com domain, and an available domain seems too good to be true here in 2007, go see if it has any residual inbound links (use Yahoo!) or a history over at archive.org.</p>
<p>If you get a really coherent domain name, chances are it&#8217;s been used before. Now, sometimes you&#8217;ll be fine. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re out registering a dot-com domain, and an available domain seems too good to be true here in 2007, go see if it has any residual inbound links (use Yahoo!) or a history over at archive.org.</p>
<p>If you get a really coherent domain name, chances are it&#8217;s been used before. Now, sometimes you&#8217;ll be fine. Other times, just slam up a dummy page, get it verified via Yahoo and Google, and see if it indexes.</p>
<p>&#8230;and be ready to file a reconsideration request.</p>
<p>Most domains that are really coherent and dot-com and available in 2007? Probably banned at least once already, or used for a porn-squatter spam site. You&#8217;ll end up having to do some housecleaning. </p>
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		<title>Directories &amp; The Sniff Test</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/06/22/directories-the-sniff-test/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I think any reasonably competent SEO has the good sense on how to tell if a directory is &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;eh.&#8217;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many of our clients, let alone non-clients who think they can&#8217;t afford SEO advice, don&#8217;t have the well-honed sense of smell. Nor should they be expected to &#8212; one of the advantages for a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any reasonably competent SEO has the good sense on how to tell if a directory is &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;eh.&#8217;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many of our clients, let alone non-clients who think they can&#8217;t afford SEO advice, don&#8217;t have the well-honed sense of smell. Nor should they be expected to &#8212; one of the advantages for a business owner in working with a full-time search engine marketer is that the SEO spends their professional life being a search geek. Most &#8216;normal&#8217; business owners need to spend their time knowing the ins and outs of their business.</p>
<p>Here are a few warning signs about if that &#8216;directory&#8217; is crap:</p>
<ul>
<li>Are they indexed? I had someone ask me about submitting to a &#8216;directory&#8217; that I was quickly able to determine <em>wasn&#8217;t even indexed in Yahoo or Google</em>. This is not the sign of hot traffic referral waiting to happen! The site: command is a good one for people wanting to get involved with their web site to learn.</li>
<li>Age of domain. Now, I know that a lot of normal people don&#8217;t know how to use whois, but it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.whois.net/">really quite simple</a>. If the domain is fairly new and the directory isn&#8217;t associated with someone you&#8217;ve heard of, caveat emptor.</li>
<li>Request for reciprocal link. I recommend all suspicion of any reciprocal link request, but if this directory is prominent enough to drive traffic to you, why do they need you to link to them? In general, they&#8217;re going to have hundreds of outbound links, you probably have fewer. This means your link to them is likely more valuable than their link to you. So why bother?</li>
<li>Have you heard of them? If you haven&#8217;t heard of them, will your clients have heard of them? It won&#8217;t be a good source of traffic if no one uses them.</li>
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		<title>On Self-Defeating Business Models</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/06/18/on-self-defeating-business-models/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting things to watch over the coming year will be what happens to a fairly common SEO business model, that of the &#8216;guaranteed top rankings!!!!&#8217;</p>
<p>With Google&#8217;s move to Universal Search and personalization, and the various manuevers of Yahoo, it&#8217;s hard to say where the people who promise rankings will land. It&#8217;s certain [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting things to watch over the coming year will be what happens to a fairly common SEO business model, that of the &#8216;guaranteed top rankings!!!!&#8217;</p>
<p>With Google&#8217;s move to Universal Search and personalization, and the various manuevers of Yahoo, it&#8217;s hard to say where the people who promise rankings will land. It&#8217;s certain that a lot of businesses will still listen to their pitch and buy into the promise, but what will the result be? <a href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/conference/smx-conference-wrap-up/">Graywolf, at SMX</a><br />
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<p> , said that the best bet is to encourage the customers to log in and use Google a lot to egowhack, as it will make an SEO&#8217;s effort look effective, even if actual traffic is flat.</p>
<p>A lot of the guaranteed ranking crowd require various plug-ins. It&#8217;s hard to say if this will keep working, although I&#8217;ve never quite understood how it worked in the first place. In a somewhat hard-to-believe confession, I am sad that some people are so dumb to buy into that.</p>
<p>I also have to wonder how this is going to hit other businesses with self-defeating business models that relate to SEO. For instance, I used to work for an agency that owned an affiliate portal focused on aggregating offerings from many providers of a consumer commodity &#8212; used cars. This agency also did a lot of agency work for the providers of said consumer commodity (used car dealers!). </p>
<p>Fundamentally, from an SEO perspective, the providers&#8217; sites and the affiliate portal were competing for the same searches and eyeballs. How many clients could this agency really hope to serve and satisfy while maintaining their own strong position in search engines? Do Universal Search and Web History change the playing field there relative to SEO service? Right now, my money is on &#8216;no.&#8217; That&#8217;s why most agencies try to avoid too many competing clients in a single vertical.</p>
<p>Especially used car dealers. Ech.</p>
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		<title>Reliability of Online Reviews</title>
		<link>http://www.betweenstations.com/2007/06/13/reliability-of-online-reviews/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This one&#8217;s for the Funk King of Minneapolis, Paul Jahn.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a Salon blog post today on the reliability of online reviews. Here&#8217;s a choice bit:</p>
<p>Online ratings are beset by one main flaw, something pollsters call &#8220;response bias.&#8221; Because people are more likely to rate products that have moved them in some way &#8212; either positively [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one&#8217;s for the <a href="http://localmn.wordpress.com">Funk King of Minneapolis</a>, Paul Jahn.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a Salon blog post today on the <a href="http://machinist.salon.com/feature/2007/06/13/user_reviews/">reliability of online reviews</a>. Here&#8217;s a choice bit:</p>
<blockquote><p>Online ratings are beset by one main flaw, something pollsters call &#8220;response bias.&#8221; Because people are more likely to rate products that have moved them in some way &#8212; either positively or negatively &#8212; ratings for most items brim with extreme opinions. On Yelp everyone is above average; company CEO Jeremy Stoppelman told me that 85 percent of local businesses on the site get a three-star or better average rating.</p></blockquote>
<p>The article is pretty good, so I won&#8217;t rehash it here. One thing that notably <em>isn&#8217;t</em> mentioned is &#8216;business owners posting wretchedly fake reviews in some mad faux-SEO urge.&#8217; I&#8217;ve seen some awful, awful fake reviews &#8212; no real human writes like these reviews, or would say these things about a business such as that reviewed.</p>
<p>The visual range depictions discussed in this article won&#8217;t do much about those written reviews, although they&#8217;ll show the bias in the starred reviews a little more strongly. On the other hand, Paul and I have discussed that if a reasonable person found these fake reviews, they&#8217;d make a sane reader <em>less likely</em> to go to a business. Even though there&#8217;s massive response bias in even real reviews, at least they&#8217;re real.</p>
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